Culture of Science – Solo episodes

  1. Pratidhvani – Introduction
  2. Inspirations from Japan
  3. Six Jugalbandis of Scientific Research
  4. Science, Rationality and Compassion
  5. Ashkin’s Story – no prize to Nobel prize
  6. Importance of Failed Experiments
  7. Two Chandrasekhars and their students
  8. Gripping History of Laser Invention
  9. An Indian Prof’s 15 lessons
  10. Let go… the ego!
  11. A call from Varanasi
  12. 6 reasons why I do Science
  13. Leonardo, Rayleigh & Blue Sky research
  14. Heaviside को Maxwellian क्यों कहा जाता है?
  15. Sadi Carnot & Thermodynamics
  16. Masterpiece: The Book of Optics by al-Haytham
  17. CV Raman and Quantum Mechanics
  18. Gerhard Herzberg – scientific life
  19. Why Read Books in the age of the internet?
  20. Listening spell-bound to Prof. Raman
  21. Science + History = ??
  22. Physics & Pratidhvani
  23. Daniel Dennett on Criticism
  24. Icons of Science in India – some thoughts

Conversations with Scientists, Historians, Philosophers, Writers etc.

PRATIDHVANI – HUMANIZING SCIENCE

  1. Conversation with Aditi Sen (De)
  2. Conversation with Sutirth Dey
  3. Conversation with Seema Sharma
  4. Conversation with Nagaraj Balasubramanian
  5. Conversation with Saptarshi Basu
  6. Conversation with Amitabh Joshi
  7. Conversation with Ranjini Bandyopadhyay
  8. Conversation with E Arunan
  9. Conversation with Kaneenika Sinha
  10. Conversation with Arindam Ghosh
  11. Conversation with M.S. Santhanam
  12. Conversation with Biman Nath
  13. Conversation with Vishwesha Guttal
  14. Conversation with Sudeshna Sinha
  15. Conversation with Dibyendu Nandi
  16. Conversation with Kasturi Saha
  17. Conversation with Sourabh Dube
  18. Conversation with Srabanti Chaudhury
  19. Conversation with Nirmalya Kajuri
  20. Conversation with Jasjeet Singh Bagla
  21. Conversation with Angshuman Nag
  22. Conversation with Nirmal Raj
  23. Conversation with Neeldhara Misra
  24. Conversation with Ashish Arora
  25. Conversation with Shivakumar Jolad
  26. Conversation with Atikur Rahman
  27. Conversation with Susmita Adhikari
  28. Conversation with Suresh Govindarajan
  29. Conversation with B. Ananthanarayan
  30. Conversation with Akhlesh Lakhtakia
  31. Conversation with Anisa Chorwadwala
  32. Conversation with Deepak Dhar
  33. Conversation with Sandhya Koushika
  34. Conversation with Umakant Rapol
  35. Conversation with Jayant Murthy
  36. Conversation with Sudipta Maiti
  37. Conversation with Snigdha Thakur
  38. Conversation with Mayurika Lahiri
  39. Conversation with Sundar Sarukkai
  40. Conversation with Dibakar Roy Chowdhury
  41. Conversation with Arnab Mukherjee
  42. Conversation with Devapriya Chattopadhyay
  43. Conversation with Venu Gopal Achanta
  44. Conversation with Guruswamy Kumaraswamy
  45. Conversation with Pushkar Sohoni
  46. Conversation with Neeraja Dashaputre
  47. Conversation with Sreejith G.J.
  48. Conversation with Jeevanjyoti Chakraborty
  49. Conversation with Sivarama Krishnan
  50. Conversation with Pramod Pillai
  51. Conversation with Joy Mitra
  52. Conversation with Joyee Ghosh
  53. Conversation with Harinath Chakrapani
  54. Conversation with Sunil Nair
  55. Conversation with Urbasi Sinha
  56. Conversation with Anindita Bhadra
  57. Conversation with Anindya Datta
  58. Conversation with Subhankar Bedanta
  59. Conversation with Ganesh Bagler
  60. Conversation with Chinmay Tumbe
  61. Conversation with Gautam Menon
  62. Conversation with Chaitra Redkar
  63. Conversation with Aninda Sinha
  64. Conversation with Bhaskaran Muralidharan
  65. Conversation with Ayan Banerjee
  66. Conversation with Sangeeta Kale
  67. Conversation with Siddharth Tallur
  68. Conversation with Karishma Kaushik
  69. Conversation with Samrat Mukhopadhyay
  70. Conversation with Vivek Polshettiwar
  71. Conversation with Vinita Gowda
  72. Conversation with K. Sridhar
  73. Conversation with Bejoy Thomas
  74. Conversation with Vijaykumar Krishnamurthy
  75. Conversation with Shubashree Desikan
  76. Conversation with Vipul Dutta
  77. Conversation with Robert T. Pennock
  78. Conversation with Shivprasad Patil
  79. Conversation with Kollegala Sharma
  80. Conversation with Arka Banerjee
  81. Conversation with Aparna Deshpande
  82. Conversation with Amit Agarwal
  83. Conversation with Vijay Chikkadi
  84. Conversation with Jyotishman Dasgupta
  85. Conversation with A.R.Venkatachalapathy
  86. Conversation with Satish Patil
  87. Conversation with Chaitanya Athale
  88. Conversation with Srubabati Goswami
  89. Conversation with Krishnendu Sengupta
  90. Conversation with Siddhesh Kamat
  91. Conversation with Debarati Chatterjee
  92. Conversation with Renny Thomas

All Episodes

Pratidhvani – Humanizing Science

(also on YouTube, Spotify, Apple podcast)

Namaste, Hola, & Welcome from G.V. Pavan Kumar.

Pratidhvani (ಪ್ರತಿಧ್ವನಿ/प्रतिध्वनि) means reflection or resonance (of sound). Here, the aim of the podcast is to resonate with knowledge & humanize science.
The podcast has two themes:
1) History & Philosophy of Physical Sciences & Technology,
2) Conversations with people related to their intellectual journey & themes mentioned in 1)
Below is the link to all the episodes. Italicized ones are solo episodes

  1. Pratidhvani – Introduction
  2. Inspirations from Japan
  3. Six Jugalbandis of Scientific Research
  4. Science, Rationality and Compassion
  5. Ashkin’s Story – no prize to Nobel prize
  6. Importance of Failed Experiments
  7. Two Chandrasekhars and their students
  8. Gripping History of Laser Invention
  9. Conversation with Aditi Sen (De)
  10. Conversation with Sutirth Dey
  11. Conversation with Seema Sharma
  12. Conversation with Nagaraj Balasubramanian
  13. Conversation with Saptarshi Basu
  14. Conversation with Amitabh Joshi
  15. Conversation with Ranjini Bandyopadhyay
  16. An Indian Prof’s 15 lessons
  17. Conversation with E Arunan
  18. Conversation with Kaneenika Sinha
  19. Conversation with Arindam Ghosh
  20. Conversation with M.S. Santhanam
  21. Conversation with Biman Nath
  22. Conversation with Vishwesha Guttal
  23. Conversation with Sudeshna Sinha
  24. Conversation with Dibyendu Nandi
  25. Conversation with Kasturi Saha
  26. Conversation with Sourabh Dube
  27. Conversation with Srabanti Chaudhury
  28. Conversation with Nirmalya Kajuri
  29. Conversation with Jasjeet Singh Bagla
  30. Conversation with Angshuman Nag
  31. Conversation with Nirmal Raj
  32. Let go… the ego!
  33. A call from Varanasi
  34. 6 reasons why I do Science
  35. Conversation with Neeldhara Misra
  36. Conversation with Ashish Arora
  37. Conversation with Shivakumar Jolad
  38. Conversation with Atikur Rahman
  39. Conversation with Susmita Adhikari
  40. Conversation with Suresh Govindarajan
  41. Conversation with B. Ananthanarayan
  42. Conversation with Akhlesh Lakhtakia
  43. Conversation with Anisa Chorwadwala
  44. Conversation with Deepak Dhar
  45. Leonardo, Rayleigh & Blue Sky research
  46. Conversation with Sandhya Koushika
  47. Conversation with Umakant Rapol
  48. Conversation with Jayant Murthy
  49. Heaviside को Maxwellian क्यों कहा जाता है?
  50. Conversation with Sudipta Maiti
  51. Conversation with Snigdha Thakur
  52. Conversation with Mayurika Lahiri
  53. Conversation with Sundar Sarukkai
  54. Conversation with Dibakar Roy Chowdhury
  55. Conversation with Arnab Mukherjee
  56. Conversation with Devapriya Chattopadhyay
  57. Conversation with Venu Gopal Achanta
  58. Conversation with Guruswamy Kumaraswamy
  59. Conversation with Pushkar Sohoni
  60. Conversation with Neeraja Dashaputre
  61. Conversation with Sreejith G.J.
  62. Sadi Carnot & Thermodynamics
  63. Masterpiece: The Book of Optics by al-Haytham
  64. CV Raman and Quantum Mechanics
  65. Conversation with Jeevanjyoti Chakraborty
  66. Conversation with Sivarama Krishnan
  67. Conversation with Pramod Pillai
  68. Conversation with Joy Mitra
  69. Conversation with Joyee Ghosh
  70. Conversation with Harinath Chakrapani
  71. Conversation with Sunil Nair
  72. Conversation with Urbasi Sinha
  73. Conversation with Anindita Bhadra
  74. Conversation with Anindya Datta
  75. Conversation with Subhankar Bedanta
  76. Conversation with Ganesh Bagler
  77. Conversation with Chinmay Tumbe
  78. Conversation with Gautam Menon
  79. Gerhard Herzberg – scientific life
  80. Conversation with Chaitra Redkar
  81. Conversation with Aninda Sinha
  82. Conversation with Bhaskaran Muralidharan
  83. Conversation with Ayan Banerjee
  84. Why Read Books in the age of the internet?
  85. Conversation with Sangeeta Kale
  86. Conversation with Siddharth Tallur
  87. Conversation with Karishma Kaushik
  88. Conversation with Samrat Mukhopadhyay
  89. Conversation with Vivek Polshettiwar
  90. Listening spell-bound to Prof. Raman
  91. Conversation with Vinita Gowda
  92. Science + History = ??
  93. GHoP 001 Engineering Civilizations
  94. GHoP 002 Physics Portal of Aristotle
  95. Conversation with K. Sridhar
  96. GHoP 003 Maths, Mechanics & Eureka
  97. Physics & Pratidhvani
  98. Conversation with Bejoy Thomas
  99. Conversation with Vijaykumar Krishnamurthy
  100. GHoP 004 Hero’s Journey in Mechanics
  101. Conversation with Shubashree Desikan
  102. Conversation with Vipul Dutta
  103. Conversation with Robert T. Pennock
  104. Conversation with Shivprasad Patil
  105. Conversation with Kollegala Sharma
  106. Conversation with Arka Banerjee
  107. Conversation with Aparna Deshpande
  108. Conversation with Amit Agarwal
  109. Conversation with Vijay Chikkadi
  110. Conversation with Jyotishman Dasgupta
  111. Conversation with A.R.Venkatachalapathy
  112. Conversation with Satish Patil
  113. Daniel Dennett on Criticism
  114. Conversation with Chaitanya Athale
  115. Icons of Science in India – some thoughts
  116. Conversation with Srubabati Goswami
  117. Conversation with Krishnendu Sengupta
  118. Conversation with Siddhesh Kamat
  119. Conversation with Debarati Chatterjee
  120. Conversation with Renny Thomas

Hints Before a Discovery: The Case of Neutrons

In the late 1920s, the quantum theory of matter was still under construction. Questions such as what are the constituents of a nucleus of an atom were pertinent. The then understanding was that a nucleus was made of protons and electrons. Yes, you read it right. People thought that electrons were part of an atomic nucleus. But those were the times when quantum theory was evolving, and many ‘uncertainties’ persisted. For example, if one considered a nitrogen nuclei, it was postulated that it had 14 protons and 7 electrons.

The other important aspect during that time was the question of spin statistics, including that of nuclei, which was under exploration. The classification of nuclear spin in terms of Fermi-Dirac statistics or Bose-Einstein statistics was under study, and researchers were trying to sort it from theoretical and experimental viewpoints. Going back to the example of nitrogen nuclei, it was categorized to obey Fermi-Dirac statistics.

Enter Rasetti and his Raman Spectra

With this backdrop, let me introduce you to Franco Rasetti. Franco was an Italian physicist who was visiting Caltech in the US on a research fellowship. This was 1929, and many exciting quantum thoughts were in the air. C. V. Raman had just discovered an inelastic scattering process in the visible frequency spectra of molecules, and there was interest in understanding the quantum nature of the interaction between light and matter. Motivated by this, Rasetti set up an experiment at Caltech to probe Raman spectral features of molecular gases. Rasetti was an elegant experimentalist and, later, went on to become a close associate of Enrico Fermi and played a crucial role in the nuclear fission experiment[I].

Coming back to the work of Rasetti’s experiment, he took up the problem of understanding the Raman effect in diatomic gases (nitrogen and oxygen) and wrote a series of papers[ii]. Among them, he published his observations on rotational Raman spectra of diatomic gases (nitrogen and oxygen). Specifically, he performed a series of experiments and recorded beautiful spectral features of rotational lines of diatomic nitrogen. In that work, Rasetti discussed the specific selection rules from an experimentalist viewpoint and identified that the even lines in the spectral features were much more intense compared to the odd lines.

Guys from Gottingen

During the same year, working in Göttingen as postdocs of Max Born were Walter Heitler and Gerhard Herzberg. These two gentlemen studied the paper of Rasetti with great interest and went on to write an interesting paper in Naturwissenschaften (in German)[iii]. The translated title of the paper was “Do Nitrogen Nuclei Obey Bose Statistics”.

In that paper, Heitler and Herzberg studied rotational Raman features of nitrogen molecules and compared them to hydrogen molecules. They considered arguments based on the symmetry of the eigenfunctions and associated them with statistics (Fermi or Bose). Hydrogen nuclei obeyed Fermi-Dirac statistics, whereas Nitrogen counterpart did not. From the analysis of symmetry, they found that Rasetti’s observation contradicted the convention that Nitrogen nuclei obey Fermi-Dirac statistics. So, with this contrast, they clearly indicated that the nuclei of nitrogen should obey Bose-Einstein statistics, provided Rasetti’s experiments were correct.

How was the discrepancy resolved?

In 1932, James Chadwick[iv] went on to discover the neutron, and this discovery laid the foundation for understanding the constituent of a nucleus. With the new observation, one had to account for the presence of neutrons inside the nucleus. In the context of Nitrogen nuclei, it was found that it contained 7 protons and 7 neutrons, and the total spin was 1 (in contrast to spin ½ of hydrogen). This ascertained that Nitrogen nuclei obeyed Bose-Einstein statistics and removed the discrepancy from the observed rotational Raman spectra of Rasetti.

3 takeaways

What can we learn from this story? The first aspect is that experiments and theory go hand in hand in physics. They positively add value to each other and connect the real to the abstract thought. Second, it emphasizes the importance of careful observations and their interpretation. The third lesson is that Rasetti, Heitler and Herzberg were all young people and learned from each other’s work. They were essentially post-docs when they did this work, and we are still discussing it today.

Sometimes, good work has a long life.


[i] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco_Rasetti

[ii] https://www.nature.com/articles/123205a0

https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.15.3.234

https://www.pnas.org/doi/epdf/10.1073/pnas.15.6.515

[iii] https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01506505

[iv] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Chadwick

Stern-Gerlach experiment – the first picture

The above picture is from Friedrich, Bretislav, and Dudley Herschbach. “Stern and Gerlach: How a Bad Cigar Helped Reorient Atomic Physics.” Physics Today 56, no. 12 (December 1, 2003): 53–59. https://doi.org/10.1063/1.1650229.

During the formative years of quantum mechanics (early 1900s), the spin and orbital angular momentum of atoms were found to be quantized by theoretical arguments. Experimental proof was lacking.

Stern-Gerlach experiment provided the first experimental proof in 1922. They took a beam of neutral silver atoms and deflected them through an inhomogeneous magnetic field.

Silver atoms have an unpaired electron in their outermost orbit. If they were to obey quantum mechanics, they should exhibit a spin of +1/2 or -1/2. When subjected to an external magnetic field, the electrons with +1/2 or -1/2 should spatially split into two. That is exactly what Stern and Gerlach observed, and below is the first picture of the same.

To quote the authors:

Gerlach’s postcard, dated 8 February 1922, to Niels Bohr. It shows a photograph of the beam splitting, with the message, in translation: “Attached [is] the experimental proof of directional quantization. We congratulate [you] on the confirmation of your theory.” (Courtesy AIP Emilio Segrè Visual Archives.)

This experiment was one of the most important observations in quantum mechanics and further confirmed the quantization of spins, which is now common knowledge in physics.

Superstitions – Kepler, Galileo & Newton

Superstition is a belief system or behavior of an individual that cannot be justified with evidence and logic. It is usually associated with people who do not (or do not want to) think critically. From the history and philosophy of science, we learn that a few famous thinkers of the past had some form of belief that can be termed superstitious. Of course, they were products of their times and environments, but it is always interesting to learn about the contradictions.

Take, for example, Kepler, Galileo and Newton. They were 3 important figures who laid the foundation of classical mechanics (along with many other things). But they also had their pet beliefs that were neither logical nor scientific.

In the preface of his book, Karl Popper has to say about the superstition of the 3 individuals mentioned:

Each of the three intellectual giants was, in his own way, caught up in a superstition. (‘Superstition’ is a word we should use only with the greatest caution, knowing how little we know and how certain it is that we too, without realizing it, are caught up in various forms of superstition.) Galileo most deeply believed in a natural circular motion – the very belief that Kepler, after lengthy struggles, conquered both in himself and in astronomy. Newton wrote a long book on the traditional (mainly biblical) history of mankind, whose dates he adjusted in accordance with principles quite clearly derived from superstition. And Kepler was not only an astronomer but also an astrologer; he was for this reason dismissed by Galileo and many others.

Of course, I am bringing this up not to justify any superstition. But to highlight the fact that people whom we call ‘heroes’ are humans and have their beliefs and flaws. We may derive inspiration from their work, but not all aspects of their character may be suitable for emulation.

We will have to adapt what is good and discard what is not. You may ask: what is the definition of ‘good’? Well, that is a topic for a different debate, but in this context, I would say ‘good’ are the ideas and methods developed by the abovementioned that are testable and falsifiable. Karl Popper may be happy with that definition.