Conversation with Atikur Rahman

Atikur Rahman is an Associate Professor of Physics at IISER Pune, where he leads the Nano Energy & Quantum Transport Lab. https://atikurrahmanl.wixsite.com/scientist-site

His research focuses on understanding fundamental charge transport properties and applications of quasi-1D (nanowires and nanotubes), 2D materials, and mixed-dimensional van der Waals heterostructures. His group studies electronic transport properties under varying temperature, magnetic field, and light conditions to understand the effects of interactions and disorders on the charge transport properties of quantum confined systems. They use various experimental techniques, including electrical, optical, and optoelectrical measurements, to characterize nanodevices. The group has extensive experience in synthesizing 2D and 1D materials, nanodevice fabrication, and tuning materials properties through nanotexturing. They are also involved in building new experimental setups and encouraging students to set up new measurement capabilities.

In this conversation we discuss research journey and how and why he got interested in condensed matter physics and related technologies ?

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References :

“‪Atikur Rahman‬ – ‪Google Scholar‬.” n.d. Accessed January 13, 2024. https://scholar.google.co.in/citations?user=ue65bNkAAAAJ&hl=en.

“Atikur Rahman – IISER Pune.” n.d. Accessed January 13, 2024. https://www.iiserpune.ac.in/research/department/physics/people/faculty/regular-faculty/atikur-rahman/321.

“Atikur Rahman (@atikur321) / X.” n.d. X (Formerly Twitter). Accessed January 23, 2024. https://twitter.com/atikur321.

“Home.” n.d. Scientist-Site. Accessed January 13, 2024. https://atikurrahmanl.wixsite.com/scientist-site.


S.N. Bose in Rajya Sabha

Any physics buff would know Bose-Einstein condensation and the statistics named after them. An interesting fact is Satyendra Nath Bose (SN Bose) also served as a member of the Indian parliament. 

SN Bose was a member of the Rajya Sabha. Notably, he participated in some debates on bills, mainly in the second term, circa 1955 onwards. He was part of the earliest formulation of THE UNIVERSITY GRANTS COMMISSION BILL, 1954. See this link for the bills in which he was involved.

On page 95 of brief biographies of Rajya Sabha members, you will find the following information (snapshot below). These documents are freely available on the Rajya Sabha website and are worth exploring.

Bose also participated in some debates in the Rajya Sabha, mainly regarding education/research. 

Below is an excerpt of his speech related to UGC bill, and shows his interest in the then university/academic system of India (emphasis added) :

  It has, of course, been suggested that this particular Commission would be able to solve the problem of education in this country. I may, however, point out that in this task we will ultimately have to depend upon the responsible people that are in charge of education inside the Universities. I also know, Sir, that every teacher in our country is alive to his responsibility, and the corporate bodies that we have set up in our land are also serious about their tasks. I do not feel, Sir, that the standard of our universities has gone down to a very ludicrous level. I do not feel so, because I remember the long list of persons that have been turned out by these universities who had served the national cause, and who have been and who still continue to be the leaders of thought in our country. We also remember. Sir, that in many of these universities, there are young people and workers who have achieved fame and distinction, who have contributed substantially to the cause of learning, and who have made the name of India respected in different lands. Therefore, Sir, you need not have any misgivings about the way in which, work is being done in our universities. All that is wanted is that you should be generous, and you should set up an efficient machinery  which should be able to get in touch with the people who work at different centres, and should find out what they need. And you should be able to supply those needs in the form of grants, which may either be given out of the Consolidated Fund of the Government or out of the fund set apart for this purpose, which would be administered by the Commission. 

As you can observe, SN Bose is making a case for increased funding to the Indian research community and is emphasizing the availability of excellent human resources in universities. As researchers in India, we must ask ourselves whether we have lived up to his confidence and effectively addressed these issues over the past several decades. I believe we have not. Bose’s optimism motivates us to relook at our system and self-reflect on pursuing scientific and technological research in India. A good starting point is to ask for ‘ease of doing research and teaching’. 

A few Indian scientists of the past, including Meghnad Saha and MGK Menon, were also members of the Indian parliament. Still, this representation needs to be improved, as discussed by my colleague MS Santhanam. Scientists inclined to take politics to influence society must openly express their opinions on policies related to science and technology. If they do get elected to the office, it is their imperative to actively participate in parliamentary debates and ask and address relevant questions, especially about education and research.

After all, the foundation of democracy is based on ‘questions and answers’, and interestingly, that is also the foundation of scientific method.

Conversation with Shivakumar Jolad

Shivakumar Jolad made a unique transition in his research career. He transformed from a theoretical physicist to a social scientist with a quantitative mind. How and why did he make a transition? Listen in as we humanize science.

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Jolad, Shivakumar. 2023a. “Demography in Service of ‘Other’ Social Sciences.” Medium (blog). May 22, 2023. https://shiva-jolad-46811.medium.com/demography-in-service-of-other-social-sciences-6cfef9fae568.

———. 2023b. “The Constitution and Its Gandhian Alternative.” Medium (blog). October 7, 2023. https://shiva-jolad-46811.medium.com/the-constitution-and-its-gandhian-alternative-b2599c9ed4c4.

“Prof. Shivakumar Jolad | Faculty – FLAME University.” n.d. Accessed January 16, 2024. https://www.flame.edu.in/faculty/shivakumar-jolad.

“‪Shivakumar Jolad‬ – ‪Google Scholar‬.” n.d. Accessed January 16, 2024. https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=Yp43tdkAAAAJ&hl=en.

“Shivakumar Jolad (@shivakjolad) / X.” 2023. X (Formerly Twitter). December 6, 2023. https://twitter.com/shivakjolad.

Tables turned…I was a guest on a podcast

IndiaBiosciences Podcast has a series on science podcasters.

The link to the episode on IndiaBiosciences webpage is here.

For this one, the tables turned..and it was a delight to converse with @Arushi_Batra28 on her podcast on a fascinating series on science podcasters.. Great initiative by @IndiaBioscience wonderfully led by @_KarishmaK

Excerpt from Isaacson’s interview

photo : wikicommons

Walter Isaacson is a legendary biographer who has written great books on Einstein, Leonardo, Doudna, Jobs, Musk and many more. His work is remarkable because he blends depth and breath very efficiently. Recently, I came across an interview of his, and the below excerpt is worth reading :

HUMANITIES: For Einstein, you had to grapple with a large number of very technical subjects, and various language barriers, but still produced a generously sized and highly readable book about the most famous physicist of the twentieth century. How do you get so much work done, while also punching in at the office?

ISAACSON: I don’t watch TV. If you give up TV, it’s amazing how many hours there are between 7:00 p.m. and 1:00 a.m. in which you can do writing. More importantly, I work with a lot of people, Brian Greene, Murray Gell-Mann, people I knew who were tutoring me in physics.

When I tackled Einstein, I realized that science is totally beautiful. Nonscientists are often intimidated by it, but it’s not as hard when you can see the beauty in the tensor calculus that Einstein used for general relativity or the beauty in his thought experiments, which help him describe special relativity, gravity, and the curvature of the space-time fabric of the universe. Those are, to me, glorious, beautiful things. An outsider might think, Oh, that’s science and math. Isn’t that difficult? No, science and math can be really beautiful, especially if you have good people helping you learn it.

Conversation with Ashish Arora

Ashish Arora is an Assistant Professor of Physics at the Indian Institute of Science Education and Research (IISER) in Pune, India. His research interests include experimental condensed matter physics, magneto-optics, 2D materials (semiconductors and magnets), and low-dimensional physics. He and his team investigate the physics of multiparticle species in low-dimensional semiconductors and magnetic materials on quantum scales, such as Coulomb-bound excitons and trions. They use polarized light as the probe and apply electric and magnetic fields in their experiments.

He is also deeply interested in public outreach of science and has a YouTube channel and Facebook page called “India’s Science Theatre.” Links in the references below.

This episode discusses his intellectual journey from childhood till now. Through this journey, we learn how he developed an interest in experimental physics and how he motivated himself to overcome hurdles during PhD.

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  1. “Ashish Arora – IISER Pune.” Accessed January 6, 2024. https://www.iiserpune.ac.in/research/department/physics/people/faculty/regular-faculty/ashish-arora/374.
  2. “Playing with the Wonder Materials.” Accessed January 6, 2024. https://www.uni-muenster.de/news/view.php?cmdid=10757&lang=en.
  3. “‪Ashish Arora‬ – ‪Google Scholar‬.” Accessed January 6, 2024. https://scholar.google.co.in/citations?user=2GyHZQMAAAAJ&hl=en.
  4. India’s Science Theatre | Facebook. n.d. Accessed January 6, 2024. https://www.facebook.com/groups/sciencetheatre/.
  5. Science Quiz for All: Scientists of India [S01E07]. n.d. Accessed January 6, 2024. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwhVEvoOp3Y.

J.C. Bose and the measurement of refractive index

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How do you determine the refractive index of a material which is not transparent?

In 1895, J.C. Bose addressed this question experimentally using ‘electric rays’, which we currently know as microwave radiation!

The citation of the paper is

Bose, J. C., I. On the determination of the indices of refraction of various substances for the electric ray. I. Index of refraction of sulphur. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London, 59(353–358), 160–167. https://doi.org/10.1098/rspl.1895.0069

Below is the title of the paper that was communicated to the Royal Society via Lord Rayleigh, who was an authority on optical concepts Bose was using.

His experiment used the microwaves’ total internal reflection and extracted the samples’ refractive index through Brewster’s angle.

Bose beautifully describes his method as follows :

The angle of incidence is slowly decreased till the critical value is reached. At this point the ray is all at once refracted into the air, making an angle of 90° with the normal to the surface. If a receiver be fixed against the side of the semi-cylinder at II, it will now respond to the refracted radiation.

Below is the diagram depicting the same principle :

And the detailed description is as follows:

The refracting substance is cut out or cast in the form of a semi¬ cylinder, and mounted on the central table of a spectrometer; the electric ray is directed towards the centre of the spectrometer, and its direction is always kept fixed. It strikes the curved surface and passes into its mass without any deviation. It is then incident on the plane surface of the semi-cylinder, and is refracted into the air beyond.

The apparatus design was also interesting, and the diagram below depicts what we nowadays call the microwave transmitter (indicated as radiator, R) and receiver (indicated as Coherer, C).

If you read the paper completely, the details of experiments are described meticulously, and the attention to detail is remarkable.

So, he determines the refractive index of sulfur using this method and ends up with a value of 1.734, which is quite accurate even by today’s standards (the value is upwards of 1.7 and depends on the wavelength of light). Notice that the measurement was made to the accuracy of three decimal places, which is impressive. Below is a set of data for which the value of the refractive index was determined.

Now compare this to the modern measurement (see below data from around 1985) of refractive index based on more sophisticated methods, and you will see the matching is reasonably good at higher wavelengths close to 1 micron. (Note that Bose’s measurements was at higher wavelength than shown below)

Data from: Icarus. Volume 64, Issue 3, December 1985, Pages 368-374; https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0019103585900612

J.C. Bose was a creative scientist; the above example is just a small illustration of his capabilities as an experimentalist.

Now, with this inspiration, let me head back to my lab to do some experiments :-)

ps: A video to go with this blog (updated on 17th Apr 2025)

Electron Microscopy and Optical Holography: some notes from history

Since the 16th century CE, improving the limits of optical resolution has become an essential technical goal in optics research, and it continues to challenge us even today. When they were introduced, optical microscopes opened a new world for humans to observe, learn and eventually control matter at microscopic scales. A logical progression in this thought was to extend the resolution limit to the atomic scales unavailable to optical microscopes. Enter the ‘electron’ microscope. They changed the game entirely and paved the way to visualize matter at the atomic scale.

Electron microscopes were invented in the 1930s. When they were built in some laboratories, there was considerable public interest in understanding these “advanced” tools, as witnessed by a short but interesting article in the September 1940 edition of Popular Mechanics.

Sept 1940: Above is an image and description of one of the earliest electron microscopes published in Popular Mechanics

Reference: Popular Mechanics ~ 1940. n.d. Accessed January 7, 2024. http://archive.org/details/PopularMechanics1940.

The article speculates

First applications of the electron microscope are expected to be in biological and industrial research.

This is interesting because electron microscopes were still in their infancy, and the working principles were explored for better quality images and sample durability.

The origins of the electron microscope have an interesting history and were inspired by optics (for an interesting commentary, see Freundlich, Martin M. 1963. “Origin of the Electron Microscope.” Science 142 (3589): 185–88. https://www.jstor.org/stable/1712183). The first demonstration of a working microscope was by Ruska and Knoll (Z. Tech. Phys., 12 (1931)), and the conceptual foundations date back to the late 1890s. Ruska was eventually awarded a Nobel prize for his work on electron optics and the invention of the electron microscope in 1986.

As with any development in science and technology, an idea becomes a seed to another idea. In the case of electron microscopy, it led to some early motivations behind the invention of optical holography by Dennis Gabor, which eventually fetched him a Nobel Prize in 1970.

Dennis Gabor was also inspired and interested by the invention of electron microscopes. He played a critical role in formulating the problem of resolution limit, which further led to the invention of holography. To quote his Nobel lecture :

Let us now jump a century and a half, to 1947. At that time I was very
interested in electron microscopy. This wonderful instrument had at that time
produced a hundredfold improvement on the resolving power of the best light
microscopes, and yet it was disappointing, because it had stopped short of resolving atomic lattices. The de Broglie wavelength of fast electrons, about
l/20 Ångström, was short enough, but the optics was imperfect. The best
electron objective which one can make can be compared in optical perfection
to a raindrop than to a microscope objective, and through the theoretical
work of O. Scherzer it was known that it could never be perfected.

Interestingly, Gabor started his work in Germany but had to move out of the country due to the political situation. As he mentions in his biographical note :

In 1933, when Hitler came to power, I left Germany and after a short period in Hungary went to England. At that time, in 1934, England was still in the depths of the depression, and jobs for foreigners were very difficult. I obtained employment with the British Thomson-Houston Co., Rugby, on an inventor’s agreement. The invention was a gas discharge tube with a positive characteristic, which could be operated on the mains.

He stayed back in England and continued his work. The important aspect is that the development of electron microscopy eventually led to some fundamental experiments in optical holography. To quote Gabor’s biographical note :

The years after the war were the most fruitful. I wrote, among many others, my first papers on communication theory, I developed a system of stereoscopic cinematography, and in the last year, 1948 I carried out the basic experiments in holography, at that time called “wavefront reconstruction”. This again was an exercise in serendipity. The original objective was an improved electron microscope, capable of resolving atomic lattices and seeing single atoms. Three year’s work, 1950-53, carried out in collaboration with the AEI Research Laboratory in Aldermaston, led to some respectable results, but still far from the goal. We had started 20 years too early. 

The general notion in optics is that experiments in the visible light frequencies led to developments in electron microscopy. In the case of optical holography, at least in the initial stages of its invention, electron microscopy played a critical role. Developments in electron optics led to some fundamental questions in optical wavefront reconstruction. This further led to optical holography.

This reminds me of a quote attributed to Buckminster :

How often I found where I should be going only by setting out for somewhere else.